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tgazzard2 post(s)
#19-Nov-08 22:57

I have only recently started using Manifold and was trying to create a layout with border coordinates that go across two UTM zones. I have manually added the correct border coordinates for zone 54 by adding a several text boxes to the layout and typing out the coordinates. I was wondering if there was a better (faster!) way?

Can you get a layout to display border coordinates for two adjoining UTM zones? I realise that I would be better to use a different projection such as Vicgrid, but the maps need to have the same projection as commercially published maps of the area. Any assistance would be great.

Dimitri


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#20-Nov-08 07:07

If the interest is in re-creating a presentation seen in a commercially published map, are you sure that commercially published map uses UTM (Universal Transverse Mercator) and not TM (Transverse Mercator)?

The reason I ask is that UTM is a discontinuous projection system. It is a series of TM projections, not just one projection. Conceptually, those projections are just as genuinely different from each other as would be, say Mercator and Orthographic. If you have a drawing in one UTM zone and a drawing in a different UTM zone those two drawings are in different projections. Each UTM zone projection is intended to show objects only within the zone.

If you want to show a region that is on the border between two different UTM zones the presentation would be to show two rectangular windows overlapping each other, with each window having its own border coordinates. It is just as if you had two paper maps, one drawn in Mercator and one drawn in Orthographic which had some region on their border in common and you wanted to "combine" them by laying them out on a desk: what you'd see if you photographed that table from above would be some arrangement, or layout, of those paper maps that you'd try to move about so that the region of overlap despite the different projections used would seem reasonably continuous, more or less satisfactorily, for your purpose

To show objects on or near the border of two different UTM zones, if you prefer TM style projections, the solution would be if there were a UTM zone defined that is centered upon the border region. But since what makes UTM "universal" is the predefinition of discrete zones that is not available to you in UTM. So instead what you do is use TM, upon which UTM is based, to create a TM projection of the data that is centered upon the border zone. You can then create a single drawing that shows objects from two different UTM projections within a single TM projection that is centered on your view and thus minimizes distortion.

Note that the above is not a consequence of anything having to do with Manifold, per se. It is a consequence of how projections work and how the family of different projections collectively called "UTM" have been designed to operate.

tgazzard2 post(s)
#20-Nov-08 14:32

Your solution is a good one, but unfortunately the projections published in emergency service maps in Victoria, Australia are UTM zones 54 and 55. And while the map producers would probably have used a different projection system, historically UTM zones 54 and 55 have been used by Victoria's largest emergency services organisation. Hence, the majority of users of the maps are familiar with UTM zones 54 and 55.

I should been a little more specific. The maps I am producing will have only slightly overlapping zones. Subsequently all the underlying drawings & images will be in the dominant zone (adding a little bit of distortion but not a significant amount). However, I am overlaying zone 54 and 55 grids over the underlying components. Hence, I would to display border coordinates for both zones 54 and 55.

I know I can do it in ArcGIS. I just was wondering whether this was possible in Manifold. I couldn't see an obvious way of doing this.... Thanks again.

is057 post(s)
#20-Nov-08 14:46

I came up against the same problem, bulk of the map in zone 54, part in zone 55. I ended up creating a drawing showing the correct grid lines for both zones and a point drawing for the labels. A copy of part of the map is attached.

If it's of any use, I can supply the grid drawing for the part of the state I was working in (Otways region). I can be contacted at ian dot shurvell at dpi dot vic dot gov dot au.

Attachments:
UTM_Grid_Example.jpg

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